Can You Build A Successful Career As A Single Parent?

Dawn Lawrence00:00:00

It's about the quality of time you spend with children, not the quantity.And people need to remember that because it's really easy, you know, as a working mum or dad, you know, you go to work at 7 in the morning, you don't get back at 7 o' clock at night, your kids are just going to bed, you're saying good night and you're giving the kids good night or you're reading a book or whatever. That's really important because that is the things that they will remember. And if someone offers you help, take it.You know, it's the quality of time you spend with the kids, even if it's, you know, every Saturday you go, I don't know if you can feed the ducks anymore.

Joel McDonnell00:00:31

Stop it.

Timothy R Andrews00:00:31

I'm not joking. Maybe they don't have it up north, so.

Joel McDonnell00:00:34

Bloody nanny state.

Theme Tune00:00:52

Timothy, Tracey and Joe on the show. From front of house to chefs on the line, every voice can shape the future each time.

Timothy R Andrews00:01:11

We would like to introduce Dawn Lawrence, CEO and founder of HJUK. The purpose of today's episode is talk about single parenthood and how you can lead and juggle a company at the same time.

Dawn Lawrence00:01:24

So.

Timothy R Andrews00:01:25

So, Dawn, welcome to the show.

Dawn Lawrence00:01:27

Thanks, Tim. Yeah, yeah. Good subject. Yeah, Relevant subject. So good. Yeah, I'm up for this.

Timothy R Andrews00:01:33

So, Dawn, tell us a little bit about your history, really, before we get to HG uk. Apparently, you know, like, your background in hospitality recruitment and how you got there.

Dawn Lawrence00:01:41

Oh, God.So if I go back to when I was 16, I left school at 16, didn't stay on at school, didn't go to university very much from a council state, had the best time growing up and we are talking about, well, 16, so you're talking about 43 years ago now. So it's quite a while back, so things have changed immensely. I ended up going to work at a holiday camp in.And it's still there, called Potter's Beach Camp just outside Great Yarmouth. Gorston started off as a waitress. Within three months I was in the entertainment team, surprised and just had a really great time and. But I.Before I went to that holiday camp, I was really quite in. Quite nervous, quite.Not felt secure about myself, lacked confidence and I wasn't bullied because I don't think bullying back then was as much as it is now, but I just didn't. I just lacked that confidence. But when I come back from the holiday camp, I thought, yeah, I feel quite confident.So I ended up getting a job, studied my career with British Gas and I actually worked in a Radio room. It was fantastic. We're going back years now. Okay, we're going back 40 plus years when you used to have a gas escape.You used to ring up a radio and go, hi, I've got a gas escape. And they used to go in a room similar to what we're in now. And we also had headphones on and they used like little mics in their little gas vans.And I used to go, whiskey, four four, Whiskey four four, There's a gas escape on the high street. And Mike O'Shea, because I used to. And who equally had a sexy, lovely, sexy Irish voice, go: "Hey there, Dawn.We're just on our way to the gas escape down in the high street". And I go, "That's fine, Mike. What's going on? Whiskey four four. Whiskey four, four."And I had a great time, brilliant time, really good fun. But obviously technology changed out of work. So I ended up working in a British gas showroom selling central heating.I was really young, 21 years old, blonde hair, thought I knew everything. And I did because I was bloody brilliant at what I did.And I made sure I was good because I used to knock on people's doors, sell central heating through British gas. And there used to be a girl turning up, blonde hair, 21 years old, instantly. And this will lead the theme. Instantly.Somebody thought, she doesn't know what she's talking about. Once she's a girl, you know, she's 21 years old, what does she know?I knew everything about condensing boilers, flus, everything you could possibly know. Because I did not want the objection where people turn around and judge me because I was one a woman two. I was 21 years old and I just smashed it.And I used to get the biggest sales in earn loads and loads and loads of money. It was fantastic. Ended up working the showroom full time. Ended up being a regional manager, closed all the show. So it's like, what do I do now?So then I ended up working for Dixon Stores Group and I started in their customer relations department.It was quite funny, actually, because I remember the first day I started, they sat me down in a chair in this organization and I sat there for 45 minutes. Nobody. I was in the middle of this customer service, customer relations environment. I sat there, nobody really talked to me.And I'm thinking, wow, this is just unbelievable. Then the person that I won't name any names come up to me and said, you know, you joined us for the day. You know, what would you like to do.I said, well, I'd like someone to talk to me and just tell me where things are first of all. And that. That experience stuck with me.So even when we have new starters in my business, the first thing I do is say, right, just let you know, that's a fridge. You can use the milk in there. Tea, coffee, go for it. Bathrooms out there, fire alarm, you go here. Just the real basics, real basics.But I worked in the customer relations department, where people used to write and complain about Dixon Stores Group or Dixon's curries B.C. world at the time. And you had to do something like 38 letters a day. I used to do 12 and I wasn't brilliant at it, weren't brilliant at all.And then there was a job going in the recruitment team and they said, we need someone who's got a bit personality that can talk to people. I went, I could do that. So I started working the recruitment team and loved the job, absolutely love the job.Had my first daughter, Rosie, then, and then I had my second daughter, Isabel. So then my daughter got to 4 and 8 and I ended up getting divorced for numerous reasons.We won't go into that right now, but for several different reasons.And the interesting thing about it was that I was then a single mum, but I didn't tell anybody in the office, nobody knew in the office that I got divorced. Well, I separated from my husband. That was in the June. It was two days after my daughter's fourth birthday and no one knew until the September.And in the September, I got a phone call from school because my oldest daughter Rosie was really upset at school and she was, as I say, she was nine years old. And my boss at the time said to me, what's the matter with Rosie? I said, she's upset. I said, why? I said, look, I just got a tea.I'd split with my, you know, my husband three or four months ago. She went, oh, my God, why don't you tell me?I went because I didn't want people to judge me, to say the reason why I'm not doing a good job is because of the, you know, the relationship I was going through or what I wasn't going through and, you know, and going through the divorce and the house and everything, it was. It was. It was a tough time. But my boss at the time there, a lady called Ann Miller, amazing woman, said, how can I help you?And I said, I need to get a job where I need to earn more money. So I become a recruitment officer and then I ended up becoming a Recruitment manager then leading the recruitment team for Dickson Stores Group.Love the job, brilliant job, 53 people reporting into me, massive budgets, 39,000 employees across the UK and in Europe. Thoroughly enjoy the job and so it was really, really great journey and. But when my.I had to, because I spent with my husband, I had to take the kids to school and the problem we had that many years ago, sort of 35 years ago, there was no flexible work in them. You had to be into work at 20 to 9 and you left at 10 past 5. But they didn't have breakfast clubs in either. So it was like, I'm a bit screwed here.So I went to see my group HR director and I sort of said, look, you know, for me it was really important to get my kids to school because once they were at school I knew they were okay picking them up.They had after school clubs and I had my dad then and Sally, my mum had passed away when she was just 61, which is like two years away from where I'm going to be in and sort of. Which is quite frightening. But I needed to take them to school and my, my ex partner was, it was a bit difficult.So he said, he goes, you got 26 weeks notice because I had quite senior position at Dixon. And he goes, how can I help you? I said I'll make you okay, I'll make you redundant.So he's still a great friend of mine, Ben, a chap called Ben Ben Gum.And he really supported me during that period of time and I was put on garden leave and I set up a recruitment agency and one of the drivers of why I think it worked so well was my drivers were my kids. Because I was a single mum, ex husband didn't really pay me much money. But I had to, wanted to stay in the house.Although I'd split up with him, I didn't want the kids to be affected. So I thought, okay, right, we're all with this. And so I set up a recruitment agency offering temp and permanent recruitment.But the drivers of my business were my children because I had to keep a roof over there. But the great thing about it is I was able to take them to school every day and that, you know, once I dumped them to school I ran.Always used to be the last person at school dumping the kids off going into work. But it gave me peace of mind as a parent that I knew they were in a safe environment and then obviously they had after school clubs.But the great thing about working for yourself is that flexibility. You don't ever switch off? I don't ever switch off now. I'm still thinking about work at 10 o' clock at night, 1 o' clock in the morning.I don't ever sleep much. I don't think I've ever slept much, really. But it was really, really tough.And, you know, at times with recruitment, it's been in every aspect of recruitment and it's been really, really tough.And when I set my initial recruitment company up, it was in retail and then I went into hospitality because I could see there was a comparison, there was definitely a synergy between them. Customer service, customer service focus. And actually, hospitality is so much more fun. It's great fun.You know, whatever environment you work in, it's just good fun and people just want to serve people and make sure they have a really, really good time. And so the agency was doing great, but it was tough getting people to pay me. So one of the biggest thing I did was changed it.So rather than me chasing voices, I set up this accounts department that wasn't an accounts department. So people started getting invoices from accounts.And then I used to ring up and say, oh, the accounts team has been, you know, they've been on my pack. You can pay this. And it was so much easier, rather than me going, oh, hi, can I have the money that you owed me?Because the money you owe me because I found somebody for you for the job. Going back to my dear friend Ann Miller, she worked for the Post Office and she actually, at that time, got me a big contract with the Post Office.Really, really helped me massively, massively. So that was really good. But then things changed and I ended up going more into regional hospitality.And at times as a single mum, although they were a key driver, I had those times, those dark times, where I'm thinking, the bloody hell am I doing? Should I go and work for another company?What is important to me and what was important to me was, and I would say this to any mum out there or any dad out there, it's not the quantity of time you spend with your children, it's the quality of time. So I know that if I was at home more often, I might have put my kids in front of a tv.But what I did is about making sure that when I was with them, it was more about the quality of time with them. I don't know, I'm getting a bit emotional, actually. It's really, really weird.But anyway, so at times we struggled, you know, we used to play this game when I was really potless and it was times when I was waiting for people to pay me. Yeah, they were going to pay me 3,000 pound but they didn't pay me sometimes. And this is why it's really important to play your suppliers.And so I remember one day I went to the shops, the kids, and they were, I think at the time they were like nine and 14 or so nine and 13.And I said, right kids, we've got 10 quid so I'm going to give you three pound 33 each and out of that we've got to get a dinner each and then make sure it's a really good dinner. So I made it into more of a game and who had the best dinner.Isabelle used the youngest, always used to get the same thing, pasta, cheese and broccoli. Rosie always used to get mince and pasta. We ate a lot of pasta. But it was good times. I wouldn't change the times at all.And interestingly, as a single mum, when you and I'm going to go on about this, being a single mum does make you quite tough. But I had a great support infrastructure.I didn't initially because I didn't want to ask anybody for help because I could do it on my own, I could do it on my own, I don't need help because I felt that it was a failure if I asked for help. The minute I asked for help, my whole life got so much easier, so much easier. So that was when I had the recruitment company.

Timothy R Andrews00:12:15

It's an interesting thing because

Timothy R Andrews00:12:19

one of

Timothy R Andrews00:12:19

my business partners was this and I must profess that we've talked about it so she knows this is not news to her.Sometimes when she would say, I've got to go because I've got to deal with something with the kids or I'm unable to come to something because of the kids, I was like. No, right. No, I was not. Every time, every time. In the beginning I was very kind of like and I was. And I would be. Sometimes quite judgmental about.It's an excuse. Not every time, but like I said, and then I, because of various things that happened in my life, I ended up living with somebody who's a single mum.And honestly, the amount of pressure, the multitasking, all the things you have to do, you have to do a full time job looking after kids. So she's got two girls as well, Two kids doing a job. Yeah, Paying the bills, coming home, cooking them.If you can't pick him up from school, trying to work out who's going to pick them up from school and come the weekend, it's just clearing the house up and just chasing around the kids again and couple with that, there was the. Like you've said earlier, like, I don't want people. I don't want people to know because of how they're going to judge me.So not only have you got this kind of huge pressure of doing everything right, you also get. And I find it particularly with women, actually.

Dawn Lawrence00:13:53

Yeah.

Timothy R Andrews00:13:53

There's a strong perception of how women think they're being perceived much more than in. In men. And there is a society element to that as well, is, oh, I'm going to be just for being a poor mum. I'll be judged for not doing my job proper.Bosses won't. Will judge me because I won't do my job properly. Other mums will judge me because I'm not being a good mum.

Dawn Lawrence00:14:11

Right.

Timothy R Andrews00:14:12

No idea what other others are going through. Probably all the same.

Dawn Lawrence00:14:15

All the same.

Timothy R Andrews00:14:16

Or they've got wealthy partners, which means they don't have work or whatever.

Dawn Lawrence00:14:19

Right. So there's this whole.

Timothy R Andrews00:14:21

There's this whole massive pressure and I have to say, when I saw it firsthand, I phoned up my old business partner and I apologized to her. But ever judging her.

Dawn Lawrence00:14:31

Yeah.

Timothy R Andrews00:14:31

Right. But again, when my friend asked for help, it opened up.

Dawn Lawrence00:14:39

Yeah.

Timothy R Andrews00:14:39

So there's a lot of people that are just struggling and putting on pressures and creating pressures, extra pressures of what they think other people are saying when all they need to do is go and ask.

Dawn Lawrence00:14:49

It's hard for a woman or man to ask for help, but for me, if you don't ask, you don't get correct. I love it. Now I always tell them I was cheeky and it's a cheeky. I say it's a cheeky ass. Don't. And I don't.I love people that are really honest and I love people with opinions because that challenges my opinion, because I don't always think my opinion's right, but what it does challenge is, is actually is my opinion. Right. And if it is right, it reassures me. Yeah. And if it isn't right, then I can think of it things in a different, different way.So there is a lot of strong women out there and there's a lot of successful women, business women out there.When I used to go, you know, we're talking about 15 years ago, I used to go to the UK Hospitality Christmas lunch and there used to be 1200 people there and there used to be about 100 women. Now you go there, there's 1200 people there and there's probably 400 women. It's changed immensely.And, you know, I, I was, I mean, we were proud of what I am, what I did with my kids. My. Both. My kids didn't go to university, but both were very successful in their businesses and actually they both work in hospitality. Yeah.One of them works for David Lloyd, the other one works for Champneys. So it's quite unusual. They both were in the hospitality. Both of them started work the day after.They were 16 years old and they both went to work and they both saw me working. So their work ethics are amazing. And I know that's because of me, but I had to work to keep the roof over my head.And it's, you know, and it's really, really, you know, it is tough, but you just get over it. And this is why I never used to tell people that I was a single mum with two kids. Never. I say I'm dawn and that was it. And this is what I do. And.But it is hard because it's not. You covered virtually everything.But what you don't cover is when they, they've got sports day at school, they've got a Christmas play, they've got a. You got to do their homework and then, then they get into teenage years. Bloody hell.That's just like, you know, so, you know, you're also picking them up at 2 o' clock in the morning if they're sort of 17 years old. And I've got two very different children. But, but both of them were, both of them are amazing, uber, uber proud of them.And, And I remember I took them, I used to. And, you know, it goes back to, I suppose I said to you a second ago, Joe, and was.It's about the quality of time you spend with children, not the quantity.And people need to remember that because it's really easy, you know, as a working mum or dad, you know, you go to work at 7 in the morning, you don't get back at 7 o' clock at night, the kids are just going to bed, you're saying good night and you give the kids good night, or you're reading a book or whatever, that's really important because that is the things that they will remember.And that's the thing that I always used to take the kids to theater when they were younger and I always used to make sure, no matter what happened, that we had the best seats we can possibly afford, which always used to be on the bottom. What's it called? The bottom one. Scene stalls.That's it, yeah, yeah, always used to be in the stalls and I didn't think anything of it until around about four years ago.We still go to the theater, I still see my girls all the time, went to the theater and the girls bought it for me for Christmas and we was having a conversation beforehand. They turned around and said, mum, we're so proud of you. And I said, why is that?And they said, because we didn't realize actually how expensive these tickets are in the stores. And you used to always get a stores tickets and they got emotional about it. We all got emotional because we've got an emotional family anyway and.And I said I just wanted the best I could possibly can. But the fact that they remember that.So it's about those quality times that you spend with them and don't, you know, it doesn't have to cost money either. You know, there's things that we used to do which, you know, they use, they remember about us. I'm absolutely a working hospitality.I'm not a great cook, I'm not even going to say chef great. I can't even really bake.So I used to go to Tesco's and buy those little cakes you got and we used to go, you know, little cakes and you could put icing on top and stuff like that. So I never used to make the cakes because I was awful at it. But they're the things that they remember.We used to go and buy these 9-9p cakes where you had like 12 cakes and put the icing on top, which are blue, green and sparkly stuff. That's the stuff that you remember. So. And we always went on holiday as well. Always went on holiday. No matter what happened, Always went.I always took them away. So it's. But I've got over that now, you know, I'm happily married now, second time round. So much better.

Timothy R Andrews00:19:32

Just put it out there just in case he's listening.

Dawn Lawrence00:19:35

Just in case he's listening, in case.

Timothy R Andrews00:19:38

Both of them are listening.

Dawn Lawrence00:19:43

So, yeah. What advice?

Timothy R Andrews00:19:48

So let's say we've got a single. A single mom. I'm sure we've got quite a few listening. Yeah.

Dawn Lawrence00:19:52

And dads.

Timothy R Andrews00:19:53

And dads, of course. Single parents. That's fair, that's fair. Single parents.

Dawn Lawrence00:19:57

What.

Timothy R Andrews00:19:57

What's the number one advice you would give to them if they're going like, oh, how do I even deal with this, let's say, new narrative of looking after these kids on my own and supporting them? Is there a kind of a number.

Dawn Lawrence00:20:11

One I mean, I don't know, I can only go by my experiences. Okay. And what's works, work for me.So I'm not, you know, I'm not a professional or anything like this one is, you know, don't be afraid to ask for help and, and even if it's just picking the kids up from school and if someone offers you help, take it. Because I didn't, I didn't used to take it, but now I do take. Even now someone said to me, you can't do that for your dawn.Because if someone's asking, they want to do it, they're not doing it out of pity or they want to do it because they want to help you or they feel, you know, whether it's for their own self glorification or whatever it is. I always say if someone, yeah, you can do it, crack on sort of thing, but I think so don't be afraid to ask for help.Quality, remember it's quality over quantity. I can't express that enough. You know, it's the quality of time you spend with the kids.Even if it's, you know, every Saturday you go, I don't know if you can feed the ducks anymore. I don't know if that's a thing you can do.

Joel McDonnell00:21:03

Oh, they've gone, they're all gluten free now.

Timothy R Andrews00:21:07

I went to the park and they have. They'Ve got.

Dawn Lawrence00:21:11

You can.

Timothy R Andrews00:21:12

You can't feed ducks bread, but they've got their own.

Joel McDonnell00:21:14

Stop.

Dawn Lawrence00:21:14

It's.

Joel McDonnell00:21:14

No, I was kidding.

Timothy R Andrews00:21:16

You can feed the ducks. This thing that councils provides now.

Dawn Lawrence00:21:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joel McDonnell00:21:20

Stop it.

Timothy R Andrews00:21:21

I'm not joking. Maybe they don't have it up north.

Joel McDonnell00:21:23

So bloody nanny state. Absolutely nanny state.

Timothy R Andrews00:21:27

No additives or preservatives in this one and they're sugar free.

Dawn Lawrence00:21:32

It's changed so bloody much, hasn't it? So I just think it's so first of all it's ask for help, secondly it's quality over quantity.But also you need to let the people that you work with know what you're going through. Not, not even if it's good times or bad times. You need to let people know that actually I am single one with two kids.Yeah, or single dad with two kids or one kid or whatever it is or you know, even if you're not the main, the main carer. So, you know, if you, if you're Daniel, split up, split up with your wife and she's got the kids but you have to pick them up one day a week.If people know, especially in today's society, how flexible working is. You know, I wish I had this flexibility because I'm not sure if I'd have set up my recruitment company if I had this flexibility years ago.Interesting, because I don't think I would have done it, but it's the best thing I ever did. Best thing I ever did. Yeah. I've had some crap times and it's been tough and financially it's been tough, but I'm at the best place I have ever been.Now especially, you know, life is. Sounds cheesy. Life is so good. I'm just so incredibly happy with life. People around me, the people I work with, of doing this, it's lovely.

Joel McDonnell00:22:45

What's. What is HJ UK for? Anyone that doesn't know.

Dawn Lawrence00:22:47

Oh, so HJ UK stands for Hospitality Jobs uk. We're an online advertising job board. Pretty much like. Indeed. And read. But we're specifically for the hospitality sector, so anything.Hospitality umbrella, my hospitality umbrella, it's anybody that serves a drink over a counter. So it's pubs, bars, restaurants and hotels, we all know.And it's care, retail, leisure, entertainment suppliers, anything that supports the hospitality sector but also serves customers with a drink. It doesn't have to be an alcoholic drink, just be water. It needs to be water.

Joel McDonnell00:23:23

So, Dodd, you're taking HJ UK to new heights even now. Right. You've just done the HD UK Annual Conference. Yep. And you guys are blowing up. So what's next?

Dawn Lawrence00:23:32

Oh, do you know what? I'm so excited about HJ uk.So we start off the year and every January we start off with the UK's largest salary survey in hospital hospitality, which we use and everybody can use throughout the whole year. Then we smash our conference. This year we did it at the Ned. The guys at the Ned, Chris and James, big, big, big shout out to them.They totally hosted us, amazingly. Drinks on, you know, drinks on the terrace. You've got St. Paul's one, you know, in one Direction, you've got the Sky Gardens. And now.And in front of you got the Shard.

Timothy R Andrews00:23:58

Hello.

Dawn Lawrence00:24:00

But the content was amazing and actually our speakers were wonderful. Really good. Just really. And it's. What I try and do at the conference is I try and everybody.My whole agenda with the conference or anything is I want people to go there and think, God, I didn't know that. And take away something they didn't know about.

Timothy R Andrews00:24:16

Yeah.

Dawn Lawrence00:24:17

And if we've done that, we're successful this year. I had a panel actually on men on my last. Last year, the panel we talked about the Menopause. We talked about being single mom, talked about being gay.It was actually the audience, make sure you've got things in place just in case this happens in your company. So this year I had a well being panel, spoke of men. I had a guy that had stroke. I had a guy that was on the spectrum of autism.I had a guy that had been looking for a job for 11 months and he talked about his mental health and well being. Brilliant panel. And I feel that just this. I know.One of the things I feel that is that there's a lot of things about women in the industry, but actually we need to think about men as well. Wellbeing at the moment is massive. Men don't talk. Men don't talk. Women talk. Give a woman a cup of tea and a bit of cake.

Joel McDonnell00:24:57

Don't. We talk. We talk.

Dawn Lawrence00:25:01

Sorry, yeah, that was a stupid thing, talking also Tazzy.

Timothy R Andrews00:25:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You do talk.

Dawn Lawrence00:25:08

You do talk. There.

Joel McDonnell00:25:09

Set me up. I couldn't dodge. Right.

Dawn Lawrence00:25:11

Yeah, yeah. I had to. You had to. I don't talk in hospitality, but yes. So I know you guys, but there's some men that don't. Yeah.And so, so, so what's exciting for H A uk? Let's go for the ha uk. So Hospitality Jobs UK obviously is an online advertising job board for the hospitality sector.So if I give you a really quick one minute thing about me, it's not all about me, but as I'm on the mic.

Timothy R Andrews00:25:35

So it is then, isn't it?

Dawn Lawrence00:25:37

Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna say it's all about me. So what do I do?So I am the founder and CEO of Hostility Job uk, Founder and CEO of Hue, which is Hostilities Universities United. That's connecting university students with the hostilities sector.Founder of Hospitality Forces, which is basically connecting ex people that leave the forces around about 18000 every year. That leave the forces. They could have been there one day or 40 years. But what I.When I went into the forces and spoke to the guys at their career transition program, only 0.08 went into hospitality. Why? Because when I went into their Internet set, they didn't even mention hospitality. The Internet site set site, intranet site.Hit training hospitality rewards hospitality wards. Actually, we just done a great thing with these guys, Dan. Yeah.So anybody that advertises on Hospitality Jobs UK gets a free hospitality reward package for every single employee. That's. That's hot off the. That's hot off the table. Now that's hot. Is that hot off the table? That's Hot off something.

Joel McDonnell00:26:39

Press.

Dawn Lawrence00:26:40

Hot the press.

Timothy R Andrews00:26:40

Hot off the press. You heard it here first, folks.

Dawn Lawrence00:26:43

They did, actually, yeah. So that's really initiative because it's all about retention as well as, you know, H A UK is about attracting people. So we have lots of partners.So the next thing lined up for us, we have just launched the HO UK Breakfast Club, which is getting basically sectors together, specific for networking, but also giving them bites of industry knowledge.What's happening, for example, recently, talking about the budget, also talking about maybe some legalities, talking about ATS's, talking about, talking about hospitality, you know, get you guys involved as well, which would be amazing. Just making people aware what's out there because they. Everybody can't be aware of everything.So the H A UK Breakfast Club, we have four of them a year.

Timothy R Andrews00:27:24

Dawn, it's been wonderful to have you on. Thank you so much.

Dawn Lawrence00:27:28

No worries. I hope I've been okay.

Timothy R Andrews00:27:29

Yeah, you've been a great guest, great job, you've shared a lot and we wish HJ UK the best of success. Thank you so much for being here.

Dawn Lawrence00:27:36

Thank you, Tim. Thank you, Jo.

Joel McDonnell00:27:38

A huge thank you to our brand partners, Graphic Kitchen, for their continued support of talking hospitality. Graphic Kitchen bring creative storytelling to life, helping hospitality brands stand out.

Dawn Lawrence00:27:49

Sam.